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My L134 breeding efforts


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#1 davej

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Posted 17 April 2011 - 01:52 AM

Just thought I would document my L134 Leopard frog breeding efforts.
This mirrors a thread on planet catfish, but thought it belonged here as well.

I started out with a dozen L134 that I had shipped out from Rich.
A fellow hobbyist (2wheelsx2) and I ordered a total of 24 of them along with a few L047 and a L114
They were shipped on Westjet, great service, door to door was in the neighborhood of 8-10 hours.
They all settled in quite happily this was the end Of July 2010.
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Up until Dec I saw no real indication of interest in breeding took a few random shots along the way

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I experimented with a pleco condo made of cut slate, ended up going back to 5 individual caves after reading apistomasters advice of having enough caves for the males only. Thinking they had too many choices for caves.

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On December 12th I saw this the morning I was leaving for 3 weeks holidays, nothing came of it that I could tell.
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At the beginning of March I ordered some new caves in a group buy thru a local forum.
I decided to mix and match the different shapes in case the plecos had a preference as to cave shape.
Within a minute or two they were all occupied.

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Right around the end of March I noticed a male fanning at the entrance of one of the caves!
Of course I had to flash a flashlight in there to see if there were any eggs. The dad was very protective of the egg clutch and the most I could see was a quick glimpse of the edge of a few eggs.
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On April 5th I spotted a baby that was kicked out of the cave by accident so I scooped him up and placed him in a fry saver.
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April 8 - On the 8th of April I decided, with this being the first clutch, to place them all in the fry saver to give them the best chance of finding food, I also use the 90 gallon tank as a growout tank for my longfin calico's so lots of competition for food. I wanted to make sure they would be able to get enough food in the first couple of months.
I ended up with a total of 26 from the first clutch.
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April 10 - I just recently picked up a macro lens so here are a few pictures 2 days later on the 10th.
Pigmentation is already starting to show, you can start to see the stripes already.
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April 12 - The yoke sac is fully absorbed and now the fry have taken to clinging to the wood rather than huddling in a group. Pigmentation has kicked in to full gear!
Fry looking like a proper mini pleco now. approximately 8mm long
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April 15 - Here is a few shots to document the changes. Now around 10-11mm long
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April 18 - A few new shots, seem to be taking on a bit of the yellow coloration of the adults. Not sure if its just a trick of the lighting or not. I think it is actual pigmentation of the fry. I'd say 10-12mm long now. Some a little bigger than others.
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April 22 - Here's an update.
Man these guys put on size fast. They seem to be growing at twice the rate of my longfin calico babies. As you can see they are good eaters and have fat little bellies.
In the 12-14mm range I'd say, just an eyeball guesstimate. Looking like nice little copies of the parents.

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April 25 - Figured it was time for an update
Man oh man do these guys ever put on size fast compared to the longfin calico's. They are now about twice their original length but as for mass its amazing to see the difference. They eat like pigs and always have bulging little bellies. They are from 12-15mm and they are starting to color up more as well.
Don't want to jinx things but I have another male that has had his girl trapped in a cave for the last couple of days.

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May 1 - Here are a few new pictures

Time for an update, they sure have put on some size in the last five days.
They are coloring up nice and the striping is becoming more obvious
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I'm watching you!
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May 3 - I took the cave out that most hide in when the lights are on, to clean any trapped gunk from under it. I took the opportunity to snap a few shots here's one. Still putting on lots of size, biggest ones up around 15mm I'd guess.

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May 7 - All right so I decided it was time for the young'uns to experience a little of the real world. Tonight I released them into the main tank to fend for themselves.
They are up in the 16-18mm size now.
Here is a couple of pics

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Making new friends
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More new friends
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Here's a little guy on a heater for size comparison
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May 28
Thought I would post an update, things are going well. Man do these guys ever grow fast!

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June 13

Just thought I 'd post a new vid to show the growth on these guys as well as some of the newer additions.:bigsmile:
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Posted 17 April 2011 - 02:18 AM

nice job…….

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Posted 17 April 2011 - 06:03 AM

congrats with the youngsters
nice pictures and videos

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Posted 17 April 2011 - 01:01 PM

Great news Dave & congratz!!
Awesome job of documenting as well, very impressed.
If you end up with too many of those Lil fellas, I know someone out Port Moody way that'll be interested. lol
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#5 2wheelsx2

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Posted 17 April 2011 - 08:28 PM

That's great, step by step documentation Dave.
How many addictions can I have without overload?
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Posted 17 April 2011 - 08:35 PM

Wow...awesome. What is your water parameter and temp?

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Posted 18 April 2011 - 01:40 AM

wow, great photos and videos... I still cant believe they are all spawning. Peter like 3-4 months ago, and now you. I got them in and they were 2" max. So nice to see people breeding them!

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#8 davej

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Posted 18 April 2011 - 07:02 PM

That's great, step by step documentation Dave.


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Posted 18 April 2011 - 08:45 PM

Congratulations. Those are super pictures. I have a tank with 2 males and 4 fat females that have been doing nothing for several years now inspite of playing with water and temperatures.

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 04:57 AM

Original post updated with new pic's

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 06:08 AM

Very very nice Dave.
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Posted 01 May 2011 - 03:59 PM

nice pictures
hope you have a second spawn soon

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 04:28 AM

Thanks, I actually have 2 males with females trapped in their caves right now. No sign of another spawn yet but I am hoping it's imminent.
One has been for 5 days now beginning to worry, should I? How long is normal?

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 09:05 PM

Don't worry Dave. I had a female trapped for 8 days before it spawned. That's the most. Any longer I might get worried. Anyone else know?

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 03:00 AM

It sound like they are on a roll. Are they in the 90 gallon?

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 11:48 PM

Yup they are in my 90 gallon along with a bunch of longfin calico's for growout.
How are yours coming along? Lets see some new pictures:biggrin:

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Posted 04 May 2011 - 03:06 AM

The males have lost their bristles so they are not in breeding mode. I hope they will start again but don't know. Apistomaster says they are seasonal breeders starting in Mar-Sept? but mine started in July and into Oct. every four weeks or so. There are some pics on my album here. I wish I had more room and contemplate taking the juvies out into a 75. But i was sort of keeping the 75 for something else. If I get a chance I'll take some more pics, but the exciting part is over and they are just eating me out of house and home. LOL

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 04:32 AM

Decided it was time to release the youngsters from the fry-saver into the main tank. Stole a new clutch of eggs from another spawn and put them into the fry saver. last time I waited till they hatched this time I didn't. this second father didn't fan the eggs near as much as the first.
Added a few new pictures to the first post.
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Posted 10 May 2011 - 03:46 PM

Note to self (and others), leave mother nature or maybe father in this case, to do its business.
Lost whole batch in frysaver to fungus. 47 eggs kaput. Wont do that again.
Luckily dad is sitting on yet another batch of eggs already.

Also shook out the male that has had a female trapped for going on 2 weeks now. figured she might be a little hungry.
Not sure if this was the right move, just didn't want her dying in there. Saw her swim off right after. She may just head right back don't know. Figured best giver her a fighting chance.
Anybody else have input on this?

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Posted 11 May 2011 - 03:15 PM

hi dave

here i always leave father nature do its business
i only put eggs or fry in a frysaver when they are thrown out from the hole
maybe the male and female you shook out their hole ,leave the hole at night
and get in it again, we never know what happens during the times we don t look
but i have red in dutch forums that they can stay in their hole together for weeks
but their is still the times we dont watch them




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